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Oct 5, 2012 2:00pm EDT
of the supreme court, certainly intellect, experience, obs vance of the rule of law and precedent. but the supreme court is the final word of what is the law of the land and so therefore i don't want to see more who say that discrimination against women and discrimination based on gender is not protected against under the constitution. when i go by the supreme court on my way to work every day over the mantle it says equal justice under law. it does not say equal justice for some people in america and not for others. and as it relates to row v. wade, i support that. i support a woman's right to choose. my opponent i don't know which view he has. last year he was prolife, now he's pro-choice. >> senator business and industry complain that the 2010 fair act will be expensive and cut into profits and slow the economic recovery. how do you respond to critics who argue that the economic burden of implementing this policy will wind up costing even more american jobs? >> first of all, the reality is what did he have before the law, double premium increases, unsustainable for a family who
Oct 2, 2012 7:00am EDT
at the boston herald to tell us about the health care law that governor romney shepherded in when he was governor of massachusetts in 2006. and later on, social media and the internet and how they are affecting campaign 2012. we will be right back. ♪d >> ♪ ♪>> ♪ >> this is the first parish church in brunswick, maine. its significance to the story of an uncle tom's cabin is in many ways the story began here. in is in this new number 23 that harriet beecher stowe saw a vision of uncle tonoose being whipped to death. all cocom, as you probably know, is the title character, bureau "uncleher 1853 not vel cabin."ptainm's if anyone in the north or to aid or abet a fugitive slave, they themselves would be imprisoned or fine for breaking the law. the bill was seen as a compromise between the north and south to avoid war. so that was part of what the novel was trying to do, to say i'm a christian and i'm against slavery, as was most of new england and it's my right to help a slave to find himself or herself in our borders, we have the right to do that because we're not a slave state an
Oct 5, 2012 10:30pm EDT
, a discussion about google operations and antitrust laws. >> almost 20 years ago, we broadcast one of the most controversial stories in our 44 years on the air. it was called yes, but is it art? i was accused of being a philistia, someone lacking the esthetic ability to appreciate contemporary art. in those 20 years, works that i question worth hundreds of thousands of dollars are now worth hundreds of millions. >> what made everybody so that 20 years ago? >> i discovered something that i had absolutely could barely believe -- that when you question someone's taste in art, thanmore personal politics, religion, sexual preference. it is something that goes to the very soul when you say you b ought that? > sunday at 8:00 on c-span's q&a. now, an american enterprise institute panel discussion examining whether google is violating antitrust laws. topics included the market for internet search, and an analysis of google's business model. pedal trade commission chairman john leibovitz has said that the ftc plans to make a decision on whether to take legal action against google by the end of this year
Oct 2, 2012 7:00am PDT
in pennsylvania's controversial voter i.d. law. we have been waiting for this. nbc's justice correspondent pete williams joins me live. >> the judge said the new voter i.d. law in pennsylvania, the strict new i.d. law cannot go in effect for the general election. there is a chance the state could appeal this to the state's supreme court, but based on what the supreme court said last time they looked at this, it's doubtful they would succeed there. what the judge says here is yes, it's true. the state has said we can fix some of the problems that have come up before, but he says, i question whether there is enough time now to fix these problems. i think there are going to be more problems down the road putting this into effect like we've already seen, he says. he believes that the gap between the photo i.d.'s issued and the estimated need cannot be closed before the election. in other words, he says all the people who would have to get new photo i.d.s, he doubts there is enough time for them to get them. he says i'm not convinced in my predictive judgment there won't be any voter disenfranchisem
Oct 2, 2012 11:00am PDT
against that state's new voter i.d. law for now. a judge in the past few hours blocked the law from goalkeeper into effect. judge simpson ordered the sat not to enforce the voter i.d. requirement in this year's election, but it will go into full effect next year. opponents of the law say it would hurt voter turnover, especially among minorities and the leeld he who are likely to vote for democrats in that state. it was in june that a top state republican lawmaker predicted the law would help governor romney. >> which is going to allow governor romney to win the state of pennsylvania, done. >> and joining us now, judith brown, diana's co-director of the advancement project, a civil rights organization that filed the lawsuit. thank you for your time. we played that state lawmaker who said if that law was in effect in pennsylvania, he felt that governor romney would win that state, done. the polling shows opposite. nevertheless there was a concern. let's talk about the split decision. the judge is blocking it for now, but what happens next? >> well, you know, this is a big victory for
Oct 2, 2012 8:00am PDT
here was the issue. the pennsylvania passes this new voter i.d. law in march. people that didn't have a driver's license, a government-issued photo i.d. could get the michigan state identification card. then the state said that can be used to board airplanes. we need all sorts of forms of identification. then the state changed its mind and said we'll issue a voter i.d. card that's different. only if you can't get the other card. then they changed their mind on that. the judge said i can't be sure. even though the state has now cured a lot of these problems, i can't be sure enough people are going to be able to get the right kind of identification to allow this law to go into effect. i'm going to let the state continue to educate people about the need for photo i.d. i'm going to let the state ask for photo i.d. atle positive, but enjoin the part of the law that requires voters to have photo i.d. people wanted it all put on hold. the judge said i don't need to go that far. there is always the possibility the state could go back to the supreme court on this, but begin how skeptica
Oct 1, 2012 7:00am EDT
- in-law had surgery that it would be a good idea if an older person lived on pain pills instead of having their problem taken care of. another thing, and egos around the country and talks, he looks almost like the rabble-rousers' when he goes around the country, it looks almost like a rabble rouser. host: gene is an independent. good morning at. -- jean. caller: i will not vote for paul ryan. i have been watching -- i watch c-span a lot and the commentaries on the other political channels. he does not ring true to me. i had been watching before he was on the ticket and have been following it for years with john boehner and his congress. i will not vote for anybody of john boehner's crowd. host: ok. a little bit more insight into the polling. a rasmussen poll fromepo the weekend -- is more from the vice-president on the weekends and florida. [video clip] >> they're spending a lot of time telling you what barack obama and joe biden are against and what we have done. the attack everything. the truth of the matter is that nowhere is it more clear what they would do that in medicare.
Oct 1, 2012 1:00am PDT
conservative court but that he'll do it gradually. >> he's not trying to move the law radically quickly. i think, justice scalia, or justice thomas really want to get to the end answer as quickly as possible, and make the law conform to what they really understand. whereas the chief justice is more incrementallist. >> reporter: but conservative court watcher carrie severino doesn't believe much will change any time soon. >> certainly this is not a crusading conservative court, until we have a shift, i think in the membership of the court it's impossible to call it a court that leans more to the left or to the right. >> reporter: for the opinions that could be close 5-4 decisions, attention will also be paid to justice anthony kennedy, who's frequently the swing vote in some of the toughest cases. >> joe johns the for us in washington. >>> a tennessee house fire leaves two grandparents dead, and there's no sign of two kids who were staying at the home. it's been a week and investigators are getting desperate. improve the health of your skin with aveeno daily moisturizing lotion. the natural
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Oct 4, 2012 4:00pm PDT
't even know that there is such laws that encourage outsourcing. he says that if it's true he must need a new account stand. [ laughter ] now, we know for sure it was not the real mitt romney because he seems to be doing just fine with his current accountant. >> the romney campaign fired back, quote: president obama offered no defense of his record and no vision for the future. president obama simply offered more false attacks and renewed his call for job-killing tax hikes. earlier today, the president's senior campaign advisor david axelrod said this about the debate. the president's never satisfied with his performance. he is always challenging himself. and he will review it if he wants to make changes in the next debate, he will do so. what he was satisfied with was that he went and told the american people the truth as i mentioned polls show most americans governor romney won the debate. you can see it's not even close in this cnn survey. but almost half the viewers also said the debate did not effect how they will vote in november. these overnight surveys are instant, emotional re
Oct 5, 2012 8:00pm EDT
, that's what we did. [applause] the new health care law helps make sure you don't have to worry about going broke just because you or a loved one gets sick. insurance companies can no longer put lifetime limits on your care. or jack up your premiums without reason. or drop your coverage when you need it most. they can no longer discriminate against children with pre-existing conditions. and soon they will no longer be able to deny you coverage based on pre-existing conditions like breast cancer or charge you more for the same care just because you're a woman. this law has already allowed nearly seven million young adults under the age of 26 to sign up and stay on their parents' health care plan. it's already saved millions of seniors on medicare hundreds of dollars on their prescription medicine. and millions of americans have actually gotten a rebate from their insurance company if that company -- you got one? [applause] i wanted to say -- i mean, she was a supporter. but i didn't know about -- [laughter] you get a rebate if the insurance company spent too much on demitch costs and c
Oct 2, 2012 1:00am EDT
mother, one church, one school. our daughters and daughter-in- law's can all go to church and come home. the fight over the rope swing. when meghan has to set the timer in order that they do not fight over the rope swing, i know life is as good as it can get. i started a business in 1975 that has been a foundation for me. when i was nominated i said i will go to all 286 towns all the way to missouri. i did. i am here to tell you i've got to all 382 towns in the 39 counties. i live here. my roots are here. they are going to stay here. >> thank you. each candidate has one minute to answer the question. each will they get 30 seconds of rebuttal time. i have the option to ask a follow-up question of my own. each candidate gets 30 seconds ap's to answer my follow up. we'll also be taking questions on twitter. as you watch this debate, log onto twitter. use the handle ktivelections. this comes from my colleague. >> our national debt topped $16 trillion earlier in the month. for years we heard candidates campaigned on platforms of reducing the national debt only to see little action in washing
Oct 5, 2012 1:00am EDT
lawsuits pending that could negate some of the new laws that are intended to require photo ids for voters? >> first observation is, in terms of the case in maryland, that was one misguided example. never should have happened. the race was not that close. it was a huge mistake by that individual and he paid for it with a time in prison. in terms of your concerns about voter i.d., and having to show id, i live in virginia and just got my voter card. they allow any kind of thing, a utility bill, or anything like that. it is a lot easier to vote then to get on an airplane. if you are worried about fraud, i think that these are reasonable requirements. >> in terms of polling, to the extent that both firms can, we try to pull a registered voter list. registered voters who have presumably -- i mean, we try to sample who have not only registered -- people who have not only registered but voted in the last election. >> in a lot of states, they have to have a photo id. how do you account for that? >> our callers asked you to show them your folder id -- your photo i.d. >> not a lot that you can do.
Oct 6, 2012 12:00pm PDT
-election in wisconsin for congress. state law allows him to do that as well as running for the vice presidency, but what challenges does that present? >> it's just that it can look bad. but i would also point out that joe biden also was running for re-election for the senate in delaware when he was brarack obama's running mate four years ago. so this is a pretty commonplace thing to do. >> all right, matt visor from "the boston globe" and erin mcpike from real clear politics, thank you both. >> thank you. >>> coming up, new polls out today show mitt romney with a double-digit deficit in his running mate's home state. we will give you the latest spread on that. >>> but first, which president obama is preparing to emerge at the next debate? we'll talk to his campaign's vice chairwoman, next. this is msnbc. ♪ most paints have color that sits on the surface. but nothing beats benjamin moore's color lock technology that locks color right in, no matter how often you wash it. color lock technology. exclusively from your benjamin moore retailer. find your perfect color with a buy one, get one pint offer. visi
Oct 6, 2012 9:00am PDT
through the internet, according to a law enforcement source, both men in the connecticut case appeared in their united kingdom prison jump suits, then they were handcuffed and being led in and standard practice the handcuffs were taken off for the legal proceeding. they will also, of course, face more legal proceedings down the road. >> richard roth in new york, thanks so much. >>> now to some other very pressing domestic matters. the new jobs report, it's become a political football with the election just a month away, the labor department says 114,000 jobs were created in september with the unemployment rate coming in at 7.8% now. that's a drop of .3% from august. no spuurprise that in this seas there's different views of the same number. the chairman of economic advisers says friday's employment report provide further evidence that the u.s. economy is continuing to heal from the wounds inflicted by the worst downturn since the great depression. jack welch tweeted this, unbelievable jobs numbers, these chicago guys will do anything, can't debate so change the numbers. and the partisa
Oct 1, 2012 8:30pm EDT
the law. um, and if you do that in this case, there is no reasonable justification for a continuation of the exclusivity ban. so i think, i think the chairman's order, um, as you describe it, um, is the appropriate course of action to take. um, you know, are -- and that's been comcast's position in the proceeding. um, life is long. as you note, our order lasts until 2018. um, and so for whatever it applies to over that period of time, it applies to. but after that period of time we should be treated like everybody else, um, and again if, um, if people believe that it is appropriate for the exclusivity ban to continue, they need to go back to congress and to get different legislation than the legislation that exists now. because the current legislation simply does not support the exclusivity ban in the current competitive positive -- posture of the marketplace. >> what happens when october 5th rolls around and it expires? do we suddenly see several exclusive contracts out there? >> guest: i don't think so. i think the fears have been overstated. i think that the marketplace now is such
Oct 8, 2012 7:00pm EDT
protection so ensure that they wouldn't be subject to iraqi laws, iraqi courts and so forth. that was the recommendation of the chairman of the joint chiefs. it was clearly the right thing to do at that point. but this was a political decision by prime minister maliki, not some technical issue in the negotiations. >> woodruff: let me ask you about another part of the world, peter feaver. that is china. we heard governor romney say... he cited again and again the need for the united states to take the lead around the world. he said the u.s. should use its great influence to shape events. then he talked about china's recent assertiveness in the pacific region. what would he have the united states do right now to shape events with china? >> well, there has been some bipartisanship on east asia. so the obama administration after flirting with a different policy in 2009 returned to an emphasis on asia that had been there in the previous administration. there was an emphasis that involved strengthening our alliances with japan and india and presenting to china a clear choice about
Oct 2, 2012 10:00am EDT
, not to apply to law school, and not to get hired for any job. i was -- i listed myself as native american. i was listed there. it is part of why am. >> you consider yourself a minority? >> i consider myself as having a native american background. >> senator brown, you have a web site created by your campaign that says we are getting to know the real as a bit of warren. if it allows people to check whether she is a hypocrite or a fake indian. who is the real elizabeth warren? is she a liar? is that your judgment? >> you'd have to ask her who she actually is. i think we need to reflect back and talk about this campaign is really about, which is obviously the jobs in the economy. part of this race is also integrity and character. if you look back and see what we are talking about here, no one is questioning what her parents told her when she was younger or through that timeframe. when she was asked by "the boston herald" why she was being towed to as a native american, she said she did not know. and then after misleading the papers, she said that she self- reported. she never answered why she s
Oct 2, 2012 9:00am PDT
's solve this. >>> just this morning a pennsylvania judge blocked a controversial voter i.d. law from taking effect this november, the same law that won top state republican said would help mitt romney win pennsylvania. most republicans usually don't admit as much, prefrg to frame their efforts around, quote, preventing voter fraud. but in a twist it appears that republicans may be the ones responsible for all the suspicious activity this year. last week the rnc fired a group called strategic allied consulting after accused of submitting fraudulent voter registration forms. if the republican party was shocked, perhaps it shouldn't have been. the firm is owned by a gop operative named nathan stroul sproul whose voter activities were investigated by the justice department though no charges filed. in a sign of people who want to legitimately exercise their right to vote, voters in ohio slept on the street overnight to be the first to cast their ballots when early voting began this morning in that state. joining us now is the host of politics nation, here on msnbc, the one, the only, reve
Oct 1, 2012 7:00am EDT
:26. if you are trapping your -- strapping your kids in be aware of a new law in effect that could be affecting you. the law requires all children under the age of 8 to ride in a child safety seat regardless of the weight until they hit a certain height requirement 4 feet 9 i. before the new law took effect kid who weighed more than 65 pounds could forgo a car seat. it is designed to keep kids safe. if you need help installing the seat and make sure you did it properly call 800-370-seat. time for a check of the forecast with lynette. >> all right. look what we have this morning. we have the dense fog advisory for areas shaded in gray. let's go to see what's going on in annapolis this morning. yes we have some clouds hovering across the area. nicerise and a few speaks of sunshine. sun-cloud mix battle it out throughout the day. temperatures in annapolis 52. it's cool this morning. and we are looking at your hour by hour forecast bumping up throughout the day but maryland most powerful radar is dry. we will see sm change in the forecast but going through the day. 72 for a high. let's
Oct 1, 2012 4:00am EDT
like last year, fears of a massive traffic jam never happened. lindsay lohan is in trouble with the law again. she accuse ad 25-year-old man of throwing her down in a hotel room in new york city sunday. she alleged took his phone. she was arrested on misdeamnor assault but dropped. he has filed harassment complaints against lohan. two weeks ago she was accused of hitting a pedestrian with her car. >>> in denver a skateboard race lived up to its name. a deer comes out of nowhere and slams into one of the skateboarders. he and the deer tumbled off the road. no word on the condition of the skateboarder. i'm terrell brown, this is the morning news. we've worked hard to keep it. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help people and businesses who were affected, and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open for everyone to enjoy -- and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. we've shared what we've learned with governments and across the industry so we can all produce energy more safely. i want you to know, there's another commitment bp take
Oct 5, 2012 8:00pm PDT
: if you want to lower the abortion rate there is an effective way to do it without changing the law. you can see it in our number of the day 61% that's how much birth rate fell when birth control was given away for free. this came out of a study by washington university, 9,000 women, many of whom were poor and uninsured were offered contraceptives without cost. most got iuds or other implants which are the most effective option and usually quite expensive. but the drop in pregnancy more than made up in the expense. that is good news. we may soon see similar results across the country. the president's affordable care act gives access to contraceptive. if you're home of the brave. ♪ ♪ it's where fear goes unwelcomed... ♪ ♪ and certain men... find a way to rise above. this is the land of giants. ♪ ♪ guts. glory. ram. >> eliot: coming up, was wednesday night the best etch-a-sketch yet? but first people have been clamoring for t and now it's here. the musical mash up. when it doesn't fit anywhere else, we put it in the viewfinder. [ ♪ music ♪ ] [ ♪ music ♪ ] [ ♪ mus
Oct 1, 2012 6:00am PDT
, things like that. what fox ignored was by law acorn had to submit all applications no matter what people put down as funny addresses and things like that. that was their huge conspiracy. now unfolding in florida this is a voter registration firm paid directly by the republican party, acorn has never been paid by the democratic party. and lo and behold, at least 11 counties are finding hundreds of bogus registration forms and fox news could not care less. >> stephanie: yep. >> flushed down. >> stephanie: this is becoming -- this is a criminal investigation. >> oh, yeah. >> stephanie: no small story right? >> yeah. it was sent over to -- the board of elections and some florida law enforcement is looking into it. the republican party was forced -- not only in florida but five states i believe -- well, this firm was hired in five states. they've been fired in florida and fired in colorado. there was. >>tube clip of one of the employees supposedly soliciting registration forms in colorado but only republican registra
Oct 1, 2012 8:00pm PDT
personnel. >> i've answered the question. i never used it for college, for law school, or to get a job. >> senator scott brown on defense trying to back up his manufactured native american controversy. brown and democratic opponent elizabeth warren just finished their second debate for brown's senate seat. it was front and center in the debate. but brown also had a tough time standing by mitt romney's economic plan. >> you support governor romney for president, i assume. >> as i said, when it comes to dealing with the economic issues, absolutely. but we're two different people. >> you would be a reliable ally when it came to his economic plan? on his economic plan, you said >> i would also like to read the bills. a lot of people don't read the bills down there. >> meanwhile, a new set of polls show this race is close. polling from mass i think has it close. 18% of massachusetts voters are still undecided. and that means senator brown's seat is still up for grabs. for more on this tonight, let's turn to felix arroyo. you were at the first debate and of course, at this one again tonight.
Oct 1, 2012 7:00am EDT
of having you as a granddaughter-in law-she said, we should be so lucky. >> she's fantastic. i love her. >> reporter: but for all the romance, one very steady relationship is with her music. you have been -- rolling stone said she's one of the few genuine rock stars we've got with a flawlessness that makes a song click. >> when did they say that? >> reporter: june. >> they said that? >> reporter: they did. recently, too. >> wow. >> reporter: it's so funny. you're so impressed. >> i guess for me, i just don't really believe it yet. >> reporter: so you are not blase? >> i try to be sometimes, but it's just hard when you get excited about stuff. ♪ >> reporter: there's a lot to be excited about these days. she is truly adorable. and, oh, so talented. imagine, she wrote every song on every one of her albums. elizabeth, you mentioned she holds the record for the most top-ten debuts on billboard history, looks like she's poised to do it again. tonight on "nightline," you'll hear much more from her as well, as well as the debut of her album cover as i go behind the scenes with cindy levy and
Oct 3, 2012 1:00pm PDT
be in a pretty strong position politically here to argue that due process and rule of law would be or best weapon of al qaeda in preventing him from appearing as a martyr. a direct quote from the president in this new book. lisa sylvester's monitoring some of the top stories in "the situation room" right now. >> hi, wolf. turkey struck back at syria after a cross-border mortar strike. the office of the turkish prime minister says "points in syria have been hit by artillery fire." a mortar strike killed five people near the border. a nato meeting is underway now and it comes on the same day that three car bombs hit a popular square in aleppo, syria's biggest city. at least 40 people were killed in that strike. that city has become the epicenter of the battle between rebels and the forces of president bashar al assad. and a home burglary has left a denver man without the last photographs taken of his 6-year-old granddaughter, a victim of the aurora theater shootings. this is one picture of the youngest of the 12 people killed at the movie theater in july. the denver post reports that robert sulliva
Oct 4, 2012 2:00am PDT
to flagrant violations of international law. there is a charter for collective action when one member is attacked. what are the chances that nato will get involved here? >> reporter: very slim right now. when you say nato besides the uk and france who have limited capacity to help here, we're talking about america. until the next election is passed and until the next administration wants to get involved in this, we're not going to see any major nato intervention. the backing is firm. that will help bolster turkey's case and push the military back to prevent this thing from happening ever again. but we're really talking about a potential of the future over know fly zone, maybe in months time if nato decides to step forward d seize turkey once again attacked by the syrians. but for now this is very much a rhetorical response and we're going to be talking weeks and months of continued aggression by the syrians as the turkish will see it, until you see any game change like that. >> nick, thank you very much. >>> update on a troubling medical story. the meningitis outbreak in tennessee has
Oct 5, 2012 3:00am PDT
enough that he could pay my way through college. >> i did the same thing for law school right through the stock market, was able to pay back everybody. >> if the president's re-elected, what are the chances that the american business community will think anew about him and be happy that he's re-elected and happy about -- and have confidence that he knows how to be a good pro-business? >> the answer would be because he goes to congress and comes up with a deal. if he comes up with a deal so we have some certainty about what our taxes are going to be and that there won't be massive layoffs from the federal government, he will be hailed as a hero because that's what people talk about, will it be oil or gas or clothing, apparel, retail. these retail executives say we are not getting the sales we'd like because everybody is worried about getting laid off because of this fiscal cliff. it's in the mindset. the president solved it, bingo. >> you just said the word. if i boil down the past four years of economic hardship why we're stalled from every businessperson i talk to at every level, fro
Oct 3, 2012 6:00am PDT
. >> you don't have the right in this country, according to the laws of our land. >> that's incorrect. >> you don't have the right to endorse a candidate in church. >> no, it's never been taken to court. for 58 years they've been trying to provoke it to court to see if it's constitutional or not. it's not gotten there. there have been many, many attempts. if it's all that unconstitutional, let's get it to court and decide. the pastor should be able to speak on biblic al topics. freedom of religion and freedom of speech. >> if you feel so strongly that your political voice should be heard, why not give up your tax exempt status? why challenge the irs this way? >> well, take that up with thomas jeffersonnd benjamin franklin. they said there should be true separation of church and state. that means that would include such a thing as tax exemption. supreme court would later say if the government can tax a church, it can control it and manipulate it. most people would not want their pastors to be controlled and manipulated by the state even in the arena of speech restriction as well. that'
Oct 4, 2012 6:00am PDT
bash is reporting live for us thanks so. >>> the law about the economy last night and hard to know who is telling the truth. president obama would say one thing and governor romney would contradict it, especially on tax cuts. so who has the answers? i know. our chief business correspondent ali velshi is here. i've missed you! >> we spent very early mornings together and nice we both get to sleep a little more. >> exactly. >> we have heard a lot of numbers thrown around last night. tell us what they mean. >> a lot of things to do how you are going to deal with the deficit a major concerns of americans vis-a-vis taxes, who is going to do what. president obama made an allegation about mitt romney's tax plan and how it will increase the deficit. let's play that. >> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cuts on top of the bush tax cuts another trillion dollars and trillion dollars in military spending the military hasn't asked for. >> a number of things but the $5 trillion tax cut is what romney came back to saying i will not add $5 trillion to the deficit. let
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